Out of Time: The Queer Politics of Post-Coloniality,

And of course, in these discourses, the US is always positioned in the vanguard of progress. So I thought that seeing US activists involved in the promulgation of political homophobia would challenge this discourse that we had become so accustomed to by that point. [...] So these I would say, are the some of the challenges of doing any kind of work that is looking to the past in ways that might speak to the present. [...] I think you're absolutely right that, particularly in Global South contexts, where the stakes are very high, and many of these struggles are dealing with criminalisation, and the decision to attack the criminal law is not one that is made lightly. [...] So then the question becomes how to engage with these. And this is where I wanted to do the kind of workthat would be activist-facing, but would not fall into these pitfalls that Arondekar identifies and that I very much agree with. [...] That seemed to open a different way of relating towards the past. And here, I became interested in memory. [...] So instead, what you're doing is showing us the various forms of conversation,tension and friction happening in-between all these actors. So what we get from this is that the making of queer-phobia in Uganda is a highly transnational process. And this transnational lens is quite central to your work, right? [...] And I was very concerned about that way of explaining the situation because it completely evacuated the agency of Ugandan actors in this situation. [...] And yeah, so you know, if we think about the first statement, ‘homosexuality is Western’ and the kinds of countermoves, that it generates, the the desire to excavate and to produce evidence of same- sex desire in a pre-colonial moment. [...] Of course, there is a very long debate in academia, and many scholars have criticised the transference and imposition of Western terms and nomenclatures to the Global South. [...] They are not necessarily adequate to refer and describe the variety of situations that youobserved in Uganda.